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Should Nick Clegg have sacked Jenny Tonge?

Selected Version - Version 5 (Current Version) : 17 Feb 2010 | 11:24 | Alex Helling

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On the point: Only an antisemite would take the accusation of organ harvesting seriously enough to suggest an investigation

Being an antisemite doesn't mean being a not nice person. Many antisemites don't understand why they're labelled as such.

A main feature of antisemites is not being bad, but having crazy ideas about Jews. Like you do. I saw a book claiming Jews are aliens. Supposedly some Christians believe Jews have horns because they're descended from the Devil; I'm sure many of those Christians are very nice fine people. But their views are not only offensve, but dangerous - 'demonizing' Jews lays the groundwork for others to oppress, expell and exterminate.

Many people believe that all successful Jews in the world are united in an attempt to achieve world domination. And many people who believe this feel that they are simply being complimentary to the Jews who are so clever in being able to do this. And they're shocked to be called antisemites.

Giving credibility to the original Palestinian claims that the IDF killed civilians to harvest organs makes one an antisemite. The claims that the Israeli team in Haiti harvested organs is a direct derivative of the original Palestinian claim, and taking it seriously enough to think it needs rebuttal is a sign of an antisemitic mind – people who are not antisemitic would realize it is an absurd claim and not think it even worthy of rebuttal.

I hope this helps you understand why many people think you are an antisemite for making that comment. But maybe you are still a nice person. Nevertheless you don't belong in a leading position in a party meant to represent wide swaths of the public, including Jews

so you're saying that only an Anti-Semitic can ever hold an Israeli wrong; that all Anti-Zionist Jews are anti-Semitic??
that anyone(even an Israeli) who accuses an Israeli of murder/theft/rape/any-other-crime is racist?

What is the Israeli crime-rate? don't tell me no Israeli has ever been accused of a single crime/wrong without the accuser being locked up for being Anti-Semitic.

You dont need to have crazy ideas about jews to think that occasionally the Israeli state does things it should not. All states do, and the Israeli state probably more than many because it is in an almost perminant state of semi-war. The USA has been undermining liberties and engaging in questionable practices during the war on terror for the last 9 years, however the Israeli state has been in a similar position for over half a century. This means that wrongs are bound to build up and some people need to occasionally point out that israel is doing things wrong. In this case a so far ungrounded claim, but it does not mean that Jenny tonge Tonge believes jews have horns, are aliens or are attempting to achieve world domination.

Asking for an investigation does not have to mean that they are giving credibility to a claim. Just as many investigations are done because someone believes the claim is wrong but believes there needs to be an investigation to prove that this is the case. It is often for example the recourse of governments when they are challenged, launch an investigation to clear things up (and often bury the issue under the carpet but that is seperate from this).

Yes, because... Only an antisemite would take the accusation of organ harvesting seriously enough to suggest an investigation

 

No, because...

Being an antisemite doesn't mean being a not nice person. Many antisemites don't understand why they're labelled as such.

A main feature of antisemites is not being bad, but having crazy ideas about Jews. Like you do. I saw a book claiming Jews are aliens. Supposedly some Christians believe Jews have horns because they're descended from the Devil; I'm sure many of those Christians are very nice fine people. But their views are not only offensve, but dangerous - 'demonizing' Jews lays the groundwork for others to oppress, expell and exterminate.

Many people believe that all successful Jews in the world are united in an attempt to achieve world domination. And many people who believe this feel that they are simply being complimentary to the Jews who are so clever in being able to do this. And they're shocked to be called antisemites.

Giving credibility to the original Palestinian claims that the IDF killed civilians to harvest organs makes one an antisemite. The claims that the Israeli team in Haiti harvested organs is a direct derivative of the original Palestinian claim, and taking it seriously enough to think it needs rebuttal is a sign of an antisemitic mind – people who are not antisemitic would realize it is an absurd claim and not think it even worthy of rebuttal.

I hope this helps you understand why many people think you are an antisemite for making that comment. But maybe you are still a nice person. Nevertheless you don't belong in a leading position in a party meant to represent wide swaths of the public, including Jews

 

so you're saying that only an Anti-Semitic can ever hold an Israeli wrong; that all Anti-Zionist Jews are anti-Semitic?? that anyone(even an Israeli) who accuses an Israeli of murder/theft/rape/any-other-crime is racist?

What is the Israeli crime-rate? don't tell me no Israeli has ever been accused of a single crime/wrong without the accuser being locked up for being Anti-Semitic.

You dont need to have crazy ideas about jews to think that occasionally the Israeli state does things it should not. All states do, and the Israeli state probably more than many because it is in an almost perminant state of semi-war. The USA has been undermining liberties and engaging in questionable practices during the war on terror for the last 9 years, however the Israeli state has been in a similar position for over half a century. This means that wrongs are bound to build up and some people need to occasionally point out that israel is doing things wrong. In this case a so far ungrounded claim, but it does not mean that Jenny Tonge believes jews have horns, are aliens or are attempting to achieve world domination.

Asking for an investigation does not have to mean that they are giving credibility to a claim. Just as many investigations are done because someone believes the claim is wrong but believes there needs to be an investigation to prove that this is the case. It is often for example the recourse of governments when they are challenged, launch an investigation to clear things up (and often bury the issue under the carpet but that is seperate from this).